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#forty2: mooni downstairs kata thesix @renix
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renix: well, then all things are a bit difficult with machinerie
kata: :)
thesix: hi moooooooni
renix: hey, moni!
mooni: eiii :)
downstairs: hi dearest!
mooni: soorryy..
renix: :-)
mooni: :)
renix: where are you?
downstairs: so when do you come to upper austria?
renix: i mean, moni..
mooni: ministry..
thesix: just for the records: mooni was late :)
renix: aha :-)
mooni: shame on me..
mooni: please go on..
renix: bad thesix!!
mooni: :)
thesix: oh yeah :)))
renix: just trying to find some starting point for the week
downstairs: you shoul hear the laughter in this hofos institut
mooni: who is there laughing?
mooni: (for the imagination .. ;)
renix: sol, eva, jogi, reni
downstairs: for moni: downstairs is sol and eva
mooni: oh sounds goood
mooni: in the livingroom?
renix: yes, having "brombeeren", in the living room
thesix: yup
downstairs: downstairs at the dining room
mooni: mmhh..
downstairs: dining!!!
renix: and some wine..and cake
renix: :-)
mooni: wine we already had too :)
thesix: eva need faster fingers for typing
renix: moni, what are your plans reagrding the july-week?
mooni: maybe she can borrow some from sol? ;)
renix: :-)
mooni: ja, will come..
mooni: depends on who when and so
thesix: together they could invent the 20 finger system
downstairs: hu hu...sol is happy to have fingers at all..
thesix: we plan on going on sun 23rd
renix: kata, you said, you´d come later, so moni, we are trying to figure that out...
renix: i´d go there from 23rd on
mooni: then you'll need some more processors to logically organize
mooni: (fingers..
mooni: :)
renix: :-)
mooni: and til when?
renix: til 29th
thesix: the next weekend (sat sun?)
mooni: ja something like that :)
renix: great!
downstairs: how much will it cost?
renix: it is actually up to cloed, and the people there...
mooni: so did she change anything
mooni: i mean they
mooni: for the costs?
renix: it is open, ats 100,- was the idea thinking that we would have some "bigger2 budget
renix: it is friends of cloed
renix: so she can just make a deal with them
renix: as least this is how i understood it
renix: sol i calling cloed now
renix: is..
mooni: :)
mooni: wheres kata?
mooni: :)
mooni: somewhere next door :)
renix: :-)
mooni: kata?
kata: moment...
kata: looking at faxes..
mooni: jogi - one question inbetween -
mooni: how does it work with the mailserver for the archives
thesix: why?
mooni: i mean it doesnt work it sais server not reachable
thesix: just wrote marko
mooni: ah
downstairs: kata, shall i send you a fax? seems to be addictive :-)
thesix: he has the correct address: http://mur.at/mailman/admin/hexpo
mooni: aha....
thesix: or http://mur.at/mailman/listinfo/hexpo
kata: back again...
mooni: ja, theere was another one :)
kata: sorry...
downstairs: cloed has build one server by now, and they try to go online.. they are
mooni: ok, thzen this is cleared..:)
downstairs: at this linux workshop, greetings from ea who dropped by at there workshop
thesix: moni: i hope this is cleared ...
downstairs: cloed will try to join us
renix: hey, nice
thesix: had troubles with the listmanager for a while
thesix: started to work on it today
downstairs: she did not arrange any price yet, she told them that it is kindof expensive
thesix: and then marko decided to use the list :)
thesix: bad luck
downstairs: we will have to arrange there...
renix: aha, so we "deal it out"...:-)
renix: there...
kata: how much was their price?
thesix: 100,- a day
renix: ats 100,- per person and night
renix: or day :-)
kata: and that's just lodging?
renix: well, using their whole space...i´d say
downstairs: thats for (lets exagerate) 10 people: 7000.- a week
kata: i see
downstairs: cool counting
downstairs: for ok
downstairs: per month: 28.000!!!!
*thesix* *** cwm.local can't find 194.249.242.48: Non-existent host/domain
downstairs: must be a nice fullservice..
*thesix* habt's keinen nameserver?
mooni: :)))))
mooni: yup..
mooni: but this is dhcp..
*thesix* oh shit ...
mooni: tscha..
downstairs: please translate!
downstairs: downstairs: d
thesix has to go downstairs to get wine ...
downstairs: here:h
downstairs: cold drinks:c
downstairs: please: p
renix: hm, maybe cloed makes it to the chat, so we can discuss that with her ...hm?
thesix: wellllllllllllll, how long will we wait?
downstairs: moni how and when will you arrive?
renix: we should also think of what we do there, when some of us come later...
renix: if that makes sense...
thesix: how about a relaxed schedule?
renix: and also decide what machines we take there...
downstairs: I do not see a prob in this case..regarding cloeds mail from today
thesix: to somehow take into consideration what cloed wrote today
mooni: maybe there is a possibility to say 100 ats per day for the first 3 days, and then a pauschale lets say not more than 450 or so if it becomes more..?
mooni: :)
renix: :-)
downstairs: sounds good!
thesix: but i would suggest some sort of schedule
downstairs: hope, they think the same...
downstairs: yes! we have to find out who is there from the beginning
downstairs: and what they can offer
thesix: let's say something like four hours of "work" per day
downstairs: and what they want to learn
mooni: ja but what is work..
mooni: what is the most needed..
renix: :-)
downstairs: cooking
thesix: work means teaching and leraning :)
mooni: also in regard on the dream-project..
downstairs: sleeping dreaming
thesix: we just refer to what was on the list lately
mooni: teaching learning is not only technics of course..
thesix: there were some wishes and some proposals
thesix: not at all
downstairs: most needed: trying out a translation of a dream
thesix: can be anything desired i would mean
mooni: jup
mooni: so equipment -
downstairs: car!
mooni: i can bring the laptop, microphone, minidisk
mooni: thats it i guess
thesix: we'll bring two laptops, hub and?
renix: mixing desk
kata: could be: four hours of tech teaching/learning, and modular ways of meeting on other themes - dreams etc.
mooni: camera?
kata: by modular i mean, not neccessarily all of us
renix: dat
downstairs: i ll probably bring a borrowed laptop a mic and a minidisc (sol
kata: sorry...
mooni: wow so equipment we have enoungh - reni mixingdesk, small one maybe?
kata: you are discussing equipment and i jump in with something else
kata: i will bring the camera
downstairs: forum camera must be ok when i just take it in time
renix: i will try to get a small one, mine is sooo heavy :-)
mooni: :)
kata: and if i get cym's mac laptop by that time, that too
downstairs: forum has a brand new mini dv
mooni: ok so we can maybe just decide to make a website under ours and everybody puts her equipment on?
renix: thats a great idea!
mooni: then next week we can see what is missing, if..
thesix: yup
renix: i would sooo much love to have a video mixer...to try out some things...
renix: but none of us has, right?
kata: no :(
downstairs: cloed has to phone them, if they have power and coffee maschines
mooni: nope..:(
thesix: i could maybe organize one
mooni: oh, if there is no power then theres probably no need for..;)
kata: but with moni's g3 and a program on editing video a lot of things can be done
renix: i will ask margit, they have at contemporary history institute
thesix: just came to my mind that edda has one ...
renix: ah
renix: so ask her!
kata: i think that will already be quite a lot to do
thesix: will do
downstairs: vcrs?
renix: are there, as far as i remember
renix: and i can brong some
downstairs: ah
renix: bring :-)
kata: if you are interested in learning digital video editing
renix: sure!
mooni: lets just collect it on a page and see... - i would prefer not to have too much equipment and to try to go into contents too..
kata: i agree
kata: :)
renix: hm, i am a bit divided: i would like to work on somniarium, but i stil think that it should be a workshop week
downstairs: moni: we had that part in popovic... and I missed equipment at that part, and after all this is our technical week
kata: but do you think you can do the learning the whole day?
downstairs: well at least s some hours - with equipment
renix: no, but talking about equipment, i would like to have the things there that i would like to use
mooni: well, for me everything is fine..
mooni: i think also while learning technical things , we can learn them in working on some content..
mooni: and vice versa
renix: and i will live with what we have then :-)
kata: it is certainly better to have what seems to be desired than to be there and miss things
renix: thats what i thought, too
downstairs: i bring maxi
renix: :-)
downstairs: maxi is a perfect vacuum cleaner. and he can make sounds!
renix: what i would like to have is some sort of decision what we are going to do at the farm...i am not so much in the mood for primarily hanging around, i have to admit :-)
downstairs: i really would like to learn, learn, learn
downstairs: but for this we need machines
mooni: maschines - i was couning 5 labtops til now???
mooni: should be enough
mooni: and cloed also has one..
downstairs: how many people?
renix: :-)
mooni: :)
downstairs: but good: everybody seems to have a laptop
renix: :-)
downstairs: even me ;-))
mooni: please, letsb discuss the equipment missing after we have the list
renix: yes, good idea
mooni: and maybe a second one (list) for who wants to learn what
renix: moni, will you come from slovenia?
mooni: then we can make a schedule out of it and also see what is missing
mooni: ja
mooni: wow, sounds good :))
mooni: like world-travelling ;))
renix: good idea!
renix: :-)))
mooni: i didnt start writing down the dreams i must admit :(
mooni: but have a lot collected in the head
renix: we,, i try to, but they vanish so fast
renix: well...:-) not the best typer :-)
renix: i really have to calm down from all the "jobs" i am doing...
mooni: so its still so stressful?
renix: mhm
renix: does not stop...
renix: or i do not stop:-)
mooni: hm, i guess you would have to stop it..;)
mooni: :))
renix: :-))
mooni: naja.. easily said...
renix: mhm :-)
renix: you know it
downstairs: my dreams seem to be so banal
downstairs: like only everydays problems
renix: why?
downstairs: they simply follow me into my dreams
renix: wll, if everdays life is so intensive...
downstairs: hate it
downstairs: or just turn it around: life is but a dream ;-))
renix: :-)
mooni: mine are confused - i mean when i try to explain them.. while dreaming they are quite normal :)
renix: :-)))
renix: that sounds familiar
mooni: so still... when we do this technical things i would propose taht we do it on dreammaterial
mooni: all
mooni: what do you think?
thesix: for one thing, there are things like setting up machines, networks, mixers ... which do not have any connection to content
thesix: so king of hard to connect to dreams
mooni: ok
mooni: you set up a network
thesix: kind of
mooni: but then - what to do with it?
thesix: this is the next step :)
downstairs: first thing: have a network
mooni: we can set it up every day twice if you like
thesix: :)
mooni: but then we shpould do somjething with it
renix: :-)
mooni: it is boring to put it up and down just so
downstairs: until even i know how to do it? great!!!
mooni: after one week you will know
downstairs: not to the people who don´t know how to do it!
thesix: the point is: whenever we do something, some people find out that they don't know enough about some tech stuff
downstairs: right!
thesix: so we decided to do this tech week, as i recall
thesix: without any preparation stress
thesix: or production stress
mooni: i didnt talk about production, i weven didnt think of... but babout playing
thesix: playing is ok
thesix: playing is just wonderful
mooni: technic should be playing too
thesix: of course
thesix: maybe i can't bring together the playing stuff with the wish to deal with dreaming
thesix: cuz dreaming sounds so oriented towards a certain date/project
thesix: and playing doesn't
thesix: do you get what i mean?
mooni: imagine lego
mooni: parts of dreams you rfemember are the lego blocks
mooni: and we play with it together
renix: that sounds nice!
mooni: :)
thesix: it's a nice picture
downstairs: i would say: 4 hours a day are WORKING, and working means tech stuff
downstairs: and the rest is playing
renix: mhm, i would - at elast seen from the distance now - also like to have some structure; though i have no clear idea how this structure could be
downstairs: tt
mooni: jogi.. sorry..again the listarchive..
downstairs: sol: i d like to have smaller units (two -three 42s) and not all at the same "lecture"
mooni: markjos password doesnt work..:(
mooni: ??
mooni: markos
mooni: :)
renix: sol - yes, i think that this would be nice, to have - lets say interest groups, i have no better word for that...
mooni: sol: ja for sure makes sense..
mooni: and nice, as reni sais :)
mooni: says?
renix: :-)
mooni: :)
renix: says, i guess :-)
downstairs: than the "content" thing will be easier to manage for me , sol
downstairs: sais=french?
mooni: with the content thing - it is also that i see again and again, that there is so much to learn.. it just makes it easier when everytime you have something conrete you 'need' it for -
*thesix* well, now it should work :)
mooni: ok, marko will try..
mooni: jup
mooni: :)
mooni: thnx..
*thesix* welcomes
renix: to the "content thing": i also think that there is a lot to learn about, i also see that; but i just get crazy at the moment, when always everthing is mixed into one "thing, meeting or event or production"...name it
renix: it does not have to be a contrydiction
downstairs: of course, but when you really need it it´s usually too late to learn - you have to do!
renix: downstairs: - hm, dont get that now...
renix: can you explain?
renix: what i mean with the too-much-mixing: from one point of view for me it is a concentration, a focus on one part;
renix: from another: if dealing with content, i do not mainly want to deal with tech stuff
renix: kata, are you stil somehwere around?
downstairs: ja, like practicing new things we just learned, by using content ideas
renix: ok, now i get it..
mooni: ja, something like this i meant.. i mean that it could be like this as one possible approach..
downstairs: if -for example - we do atechnical session in the morning, than we do a "practical" (content) part in the afternoon
downstairs: ok, I really for example want to do a day with cloed - starting some technical stuff (html or networking) and than try it out with her and brainstorm ideas or just do brainstormned ideas with her in the afternoon (sol)
downstairs: eva wants to try it out alone...
downstairs: ssm
downstairs: "a game for translating dreams"
downstairs: comes from our german "stille post" and is translated "silent snail mail"
renix: :-)))
downstairs: whih means that you learn something (or tell something) and than the other person tells it to the next, that one to the next and the next to the next next,,, and at the end you have something completly diffrent...
renix: that sounds supernice :-)))
renix: so we will see how technology reacts to that :-)
downstairs: it might strike
renix: probably quite a lot of new versions to use things :-)
mooni: :)
renix: :-)
renix: moni, do you know anything from kata?
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thesix: this is democracy
renix: so, now all are operators
renix: and downstairs kicks themselves out :-)))
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renix: moni, dear, busy with other stuff?
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mooni: sorry, some discussion here in parallel..
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mooni: watching with one eye..
renix: sure...
mooni: kjata i donmt know
mooni: shes in another room
renix: aha, ok
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renix: it seems that here we always drift to other themes...:-)
mooni: its nice to drift a bit..:)
renix: :-)
renix: do you want to switch, moni?
mooni: to switch?
mooni: to what?
mooni: :)
renix: yes, to your local surrounding
renix: :-)
mooni: what should i do as operator?? :))))
renix: no, this was just a question here, as on the
mooni: i mean what can operator in chat do?
renix: screens renix appered as operator,
renix: and so i gave the same status to all users
renix: nothing of importance
mooni: so whatfor then it is there?
mooni: :))
mooni: (keep the system running i guess)
mooni: the one in the heads.
renix: it seems that ususally it is the one who opens the channel
mooni: ..
mooni: ?
renix: and this person can kick people aut etc
renix: out
renix: so, i did not want to have this "special position"
mooni: ah this only the operator can do?
renix: thats all :-)
mooni: :))
renix: yes
renix: :-))
mooni: its anyway nicer, at least here, now all appear in red letters
renix: also did not know that before
renix: :-)
renix: :-))))
renix: at my screen all have green dots now
renix: :-)
mooni: blossoms before they open
mooni: :)
renix: :-)
kata: hey guys
renix: hey
kata: i am so sorry
downstairs: kata11
renix: whats up?
downstairs: !!!
kata: but i dont seem to be able to talk
downstairs: 11=!!!
kata: too much to explain
kata: if can explain at all
downstairs: so then write...
kata: just total exhaustion
kata: i tried to follow what you wrote
renix: ohje
renix: mhm
kata: and i agree whit what you said
kata: anad will bring myself and the camera nad the laptop to ausitra
kata: and i think i will be better in a few days
renix: great...
kata: its just that somehow i fell a bit apart tonight
kata: i hope you are not angry
renix: hey! dear
kata: well, i mean youy are all here
kata: and i seem to be here
kata: but i am not totally
kata: and i appreaciate so much to read your thoughts
kata: suggestions
renix: i think, we shuld just come up with some decisions, when and how to start etc...
kata: thanks for all of that
renix: adn give it a shpae
renix: shape
kata: ok
kata: shape
renix: so will you go to bed soon?
renix: :-))
kata: i think so
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kata: so i will write you about coming
renix: yes, great
kata: i suppose it will be wednesday
kata: but now i will go
kata: sorry
renix: mhm
kata: so have a good evening
kata: everybody
downstairs: good night, dear, have a rest
renix: you too, dear
kata: nice talks and drinks
renix: :-)
thesix: and you a good sleep
kata: bye
kata: bye
renix: bye
downstairs: and don´t dream too much - rest!
thesix: cu
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downstairs: is moni still there?
thesix: logged in yes
thesix: reading?
downstairs: mhm
thesix: mooooooni
mooni: juuu
mooni: what is going on overthere now?
downstairs: oh moni we had so much learning fun!
mooni: :)))
mooni: what did you learn?
renix: yes, ban and unban...:-)
mooni: :))))
downstairs: we played arround and found out some comand: /unban
renix: downstairs banned themselves :-)
mooni: oh, there is even massunban :)
mooni: found it right now
mooni: :)
renix: uuups
renix: :-))
downstairs: gosh: yeah and the whole apartment
renix: :-))
mooni: feel free to use me to try it :))
mooni: ;)
mooni: what is +v?
downstairs: downstairs cant, we are too experimental..we are not ops any more
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downstairs: aha!
renix: i dont find +v
downstairs: now we could try this again
renix: :-)
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mooni: :)
mooni: ?
renix: ?
renix: :-)
mooni: :)
thesix: tja
mooni: hey sysop, please explain..;)
mooni: visible??
thesix: well
thesix: no idea
thesix: it does obviously not change anything
mooni: :)
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downstairs: dears, i guess, i make a place-change
downstairs: moving back home
thesix: maybe
renix: mhm...
downstairs: really!
downstairs: was a festival to be with you
renix: solewtisch
renix: :-)
renix: solewitsch
renix: :-)))
downstairs: thank you for the excellent meal
mooni: have a nice move..:)
downstairs: and drinks
renix: sure
renix: always
thesix: hello
downstairs: solways
thesix: oh yes, still here
downstairs: bye!
renix: good for me too:-)
mooni: buona notte
mooni: sleep well
renix: buenas noches
mooni: lahko noc
downstairs: to make it too complecated, now i say goodbye too, eva
mooni: bonne nuit
thesix: guate nocht
downstairs: big hug to moni!
renix: so, moni, whats your plans for tonight?
mooni: evaeva, hope to see you on the farm too..
thesix: cu sooooooooon
downstairs: i hope so too!
mooni: hm, some mailing..some talking..rest dont know
mooni: ..
renix: hm
downstairs: try my best. good nite
mooni: :)
renix: ..
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renix: good nght, dear
mooni: goooooooodnitninininite
thesix: good night to all
renix: so, the downstair is leaving...
mooni: auch du mein sohn jogi :)
mooni: naja..
thesix: naja ... :)
mooni: sounds strange
mooni: :))
thesix: really
renix: :-)
thesix: realy
mooni: lyre
mooni: al
mooni: :)
renix: :-)
mooni: :)
mooni: so, i will say goodbye too..
renix: yep
mooni: i promise to write next days
renix: and write when you come to the "north"
mooni: :)
renix: great1
renix: great!
mooni: great2
mooni: :)
renix: great3...
renix: :-)))
mooni: hey, how was maribor?
renix: short :-)
mooni: sorry that i didnt have time that day..
renix: but good to be there
mooni: :))
renix: oh would have been great
mooni: was nice when you appeared in the video-window :)
renix: but stil...to be at two places at the same time...
renix: yes, for me too, to see you!
mooni: ja, its kind of hard task..
renix: yep :-)
mooni: aja, this i forgot already, that you saw me too :)
renix: :-))))))))
mooni: :)
mooni: )))))
mooni: .
mooni: *
renix: ...
renix: ***
mooni: :)
renix: cmok
mooni: bussl
mooni: :)
renix: genau
renix: :-)
mooni: :)
mooni: so fast uebermorgen...
renix: ja
mooni: hey, und stress dich nich so...
renix: okay
mooni: versprochen?
renix: und noch herzliche gruesse von der sol un
renix: die freut sich schon auf dich und aufs diskutieren
mooni: oja, und herzliche gruesse zurueck
renix: ja...
mooni: :)))
renix: busll
renix: bussl
mooni: sag dass ich mich auch schon freu, ganz doll..
mooni: didupp
renix: ok
renix: :-)
mooni: :)))
renix: bis bald
mooni: ja
mooni: fast uebermorgen
mooni: :)
renix: genau
mooni: :)))))
renix: :))))))
Log file closed at: 12.07.2000 23:26:54 Uhr